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12
Sep

Tips to help you sell your pool table


I think the most economically way to sell your pool table for the best price in Ontario is thru Kijiji.  In other parts of the world it is craig’s list, newspapers and ebay.  Newspapers and Ebay cost you the seller whereas unless you are posting your ad to the top and pay a small fee kijiji is free.

Let’s face it unless you have a special table no one is going to ship the table very far.  Kijiji gets you that customer that is near to your home for easy transporation to see you table and easy for them to transport.

lets get the table ready to sell

 Price your table fairly if you want to sell it.  If is really not important what you paid 5 or 25 years ago for the table.  You need to see what the same table or equivalent table would cost you today.  In Canada our exchange rate is now at par.  A few years ago we paid up to 60% on the American dollar so pool table are actually cheaper today.  Even if your table was built in Canada the slate, pockets and cloth did not come from Canada which has put an impact on the table.

Usually when you purchased the table it included installation in your home and a warranty.  Those two factors are not included in your table.  No table manufacture extends the warranty to the next owner.  To move a pool table and set it up is more costly than the original set up of the table

Inspect your table as a potential customer would.  That would be firstly cleaning it.

I was shocked to see this table recently on kijiji.  With the caption I am out of room and need to get rid of the table.  Even if I was given it for free the person taking it off your hands would not know where to start to find the table.

Brush your table and polish the wood.  Inspect the rubber has it gone mushy or hard from non use.  If the customer has to change the rubber that is an expensive job from 150-450.

Inspect your legs to make sure moisture from your floor has not damaged the table.  Has mould grown around the legs from moisture. 

How about taking off the spiderwebs around the table.  Yes we have gone to move table where there is many spiderwebs and mould on the legs

Is the styling of the table out of date.  When you purchased that solid oak pool table everyone wanted that wood.  You will not see many new oak pool tables on the market today because as of this writing 2012 most customers do not want oak.  Also you do not see many vinyl veneer tables on the market only wood veneer or solid wood in darker finishes.  Look at the new styles and that will help you.

Ready to take a picture for your ad?  NOT YET!   Get rid of all our treasures around the table.

Clean on the top but where are the legs

When your potential customer sees this picture on kijiji they see that you probably did not look after the table and that they will have to move all your junk to move it. 

What was the table really used for

When a potential customer sees this picture they realize that the cloth is probably damaged at the least with stuff on it.  Is it beside a wall did you move it? 

So looking at those three pictures would you have called?

Two other alternatives that don’t get calls are using the suppliers picture.  The customer is thinking is the table in that bad of shape that they cannot show me what it really looks it?  The worst is no picture at all.  Though from the three picture I might reconsider my comment there.  We have all heard a picture tells 1000 words well when you are selling anything used I would say that is right.

This is perfect presentation

This table has been staged to sell.  It invites you to play.  The accessories are on the wall where they probably always had them.  You want that table in your own home

similar table not as inviting but okay

Yes this is the same style table with the accessories on the table.  I know they are trying to show what comes with it but take pictures with nothing on the table and the accessories separate.  Both show better.

The more picture the better.  Take a picture of the leg separate so the customer can see the style and shape.  Take a picture of the pocket to say whether it is pool or snooker.  Know the difference if you have a pool or snooker pocket .  You will be wasting both your time and the potential customers time if you say it is a pool pocket and they arrive at your home and find out it is a snooker pocket table.  We discussed determining if you have pool or snooker in another article.

If you do not have a digital camera ask someone to help you take the pictures to post.

Writing the advertisment.  Be honest on the shape.  Determine the correct size.  Please see article on determing size.  The more correct information you have in the ad show you  as an honest seller and you will probably get your price. 

Timing is everything unfortunatley just because you decided today is the day to sell your pool table the market for used tables is best in October to January with of course December being the highest.  In the summer used pool tables go for very little people are outside working on outdoor projects.  If you put in your ad need it gone by the weekend you just said come and get it for free.  If you are selling your home decide ahead of time that it is a large piece of furniture and give yourself time to sell

One last piece of advice on accessories unfortunately they usually do not get you more money.  A light is hard to sell due to the electrical issue.  Most customers assume that you are throwing in the accessories.  If you have a special cue that Uncle Harry gave you put it away if they see it they want it

This is mainly how to advertise on kijiji and Craigs list.  If you are putting your table in the newspaper try to give as much information as possible size, make, shape and price.  Today it is hard to sell a pool table this way.

Ebay takes a percentage of the sale and has a customer base around the world.  Shipping a pool table is a costly business.  Unless you have a special table that someone would be willing to ship and you would not mind getting the table prepared for shipping it is a harder way to sell today.

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7
Sep

Pool Table Near Poles or Beams


A  perfect room would be if there were no poles or beams interferring with a pool tables.  Unfortunately today  many of the rooms we help people design have a pole or low beam.

making the best with a post in the room

The question we get is should I forgot about having a pool table or how can I work around the obstruction.

Our most bizarre room a customer wanted to practice for tournaments but had a small room.  He had us put the pool table againt  walls so he had two sides to practise with.  I would not suggest this but it worked for over twenty years for him and he won many tournaments because he was able to practise at home.

Not recommended but is this better than no table for practising

Ideally you would like to have 5′ around your pool table but here are  a few design ideas you can incorporate in to your room that should help with the  inconveniences caused by the poles or beams near your pool table.

The first design  to consider is the most play of the table is where the balls are racked.  Many people think you should have alot of room to break but the most play on an average players table is where the balls are racked.  The head of the table which is where you break from starts with you inside the playing area usually near the line.  As I said most average players do not fully break and have the balls thruout the table but they tend to stay near the end of the table.    So the post is better at the breaking end of the table

If the room is really tight, you can position the table so that the pole is located near the middle of one of the side rail.  We have positioned tables that post is actually beside the rail rather than one foot out.

Beams in the ceiling have effected tall people and cues.  Usually the beam runs down the centre of the pool table so it does not effect people as much but the cues and the  light.  We will look at the in a further blog

The best way to decided where to layout your table is to cut out the inside playing area of the table you are purchasing.  If a 4 x 8 table the inside playing area is 44″ x 88″.  You can use paper or cardboard for this layout.  Position it around the room with the post and see what area feel best suited to your flow of the room.

Your billiard installer will also suggest the best position in the room for maximum playablity.  We also design rooms with your dimensions.  Brunswick billiards has designed a great website design

but unfortuately posts are not added but it show you the layout of the space.  Don’t forgot to add people to the plan they take up space too.  Since many pool rooms in homes are not perfect most people have house rules.  It usually involves moving a ball  when a reasonable shot cannot be done.  We also sell great trouble shooter cues that are balanced for those tight shots

Great alternative cue for poles and short folks

Measure and have fun

29
Aug

How to determine the size of a pool table


Many customers contact us saying our pool table is 5’x 9′ and after discussing with them there is no such size as that are confused.

Here is a simple guide to determine the size of your pool table.

Measure the inside playing area of the pool table.  That means from the inside rubber of the table straight down not under the rail to the other size.  The length is always 2x the width of the pool table.  Knowing that fact also helps you in determining your angles when playing pool.  The table is actually two perfect squares

You cannot measure the outside of the table as designs whether modern or antique have rails today 5″to 10 “in width.

Sorry for you that measure in metric pool tables are always measured in inches.

 

Typical pool table sizes are:

6′-32″x 64″”
7′ — 38″ x 76″
8′ — 44″ x 88″-most common
Pro 8′ — 46″ x 92″ -usually commercial or antique tables-also dufferin billiards
9′ — 50″ x 100″

Snooker tables usually come in a 5 x 10 or 6 x 12 however they can come in smaller sizes and the pocket determines whether pool or snooker.

 

22
Aug

Part 2 buying used table


When is it time to replace a cloth?

When the cloth is torn, picked badly, or worn excessively, it is reasonably obvious that a cloth change is needed, but we replace a lot of cloth for cosmetic reasons.

When is it time to replace the cushion rubber?

Not as often as some people think. The cushion rubber can dry rot with age, get harder or softer etc., but on average we find more problems in the field with the cloth not being pulled properly, or the cushion glue being broken. If someone’s sits on the rail, it will depress the cushion and cause the glue joint to break….that is why you do not sit on a table. The biggest group of cushion problems we see, seem to come from imported cheap tables with cheap rubber cushions.

OK, there you have it. A brief summary of where to look, and what to look for according to me. Remember, everyone has an opinion. And I am entitled to mine. So if you disagree with me on any point, that’s your privilege. This is what I look for, and my standards are admittedly high.

Be patient. Use common sense. And you could have that pool table you’ve always wanted at a price you never thought possible.

The Canadian dollar buying power? When purchasing a used table today many people say what they purchased the pool table for. Unfortunately for them they do not take into account that pool tables have been reducing price in Canada due to the Canadian dollar vs USA. 1″ slate brunswick pool table today sells for 1449 whereas a few years ago it sold for 1999.00

Internet stores vs Motar stores? Since you are on the internet looking at this chances are you have also done a search for the internet pool tables companies. A few major things to consider with the internet stores are shipping, duty and not comparing apples to apples. We have done massive research ourselves plus had horror stories from customers that have purchased a pool table on line thinking it is the same quality as a Brunswick pool tables and the price so half the price only to find out when it is installed it is half the quality of a Brunswick table. The inflated prices that the on line only stores say their tables are worth are usually not comparing with a similiar quality. Unfortunately pictures do not tell the whole story. I have even found one store that used the Brunswick pictures saying it was their tables. But the botton line is…….check the whole price. Many of these stores add more for quality cloth that is standard on a brunswick pool table. The shipping and installation is usually twice the price of a brunswick pool table. The quality of the equipment is usually over inflated in price and half the quality as well. In the economy of today many of these on line stores have come and gone. The tables are falling apart the finish is peeling the rubber has died and there is no one to get a part from or back that lifetime warranty. Most Brick and Motar stores like ourselves love when you bring in a price of an online only store. We usually are the same or cheaper price for better quality.

22
Aug

How To Buy a Used pool Table


HOW TO BUY A USED POOL TABLE

WHY buy a used table, instead of a new one?

In my experience, the average used pool table BUYER is looking to spend around $500 to $1000. And that’s the range most average used tables sell in. The seller has no choice but to sell the table by a certain date. Such as, a job transfer and the new company won’t pay to move the table and the moving van is arriving in a day or two. To this person, YOU are their savior! Now you can forget someone whose only selling the table because their wife wants the dining room back. THAT person will not give you any deals, because they are (usually) not in any kind of a time crunch. ” I would suggest you check the price of new tables in comparison. With the Canadian dollar being stronger in the last 4 years many tables are decreased in price in the last few years. New Brunswick slate tables start at 1,650.00 for 1″ framed slate

And just HOW do you find these people?

The best way to find a pool table is Kijiji. The second way is to watch the classified ads in the major city newspapers near you. I mean RELIGIOUSLY! Don’t miss a single day….because that could be the day YOUR table was sold to someone else.

The 3 cardinal rules of buying a used pool table:

Rule 1: Be patient!

Rule 2: Be patient!

Rule 3: (refer to rules 1 and 2)

You have to resign yourself to the possibility it may take a year, or two, or more, to find the right table at the right price…. If you are in a hurry, don’t expect any bargains to come your way. And don’t fall in love with a particular model or make. First, decide if you want open leather “traditional” pockets, or ball return. Then buy your table based on HOW it is CONSTRUCTED.

Another good place to look is bulletin boards.

What” do you look for?

1) Slate

3/4″ or 1″, BOTH are fine for a 8′ or smaller home table. A 3 piece slate bed is much better than a one piece bed. Slate that screws to the base frame of the pool table is essential for slates not to separate over the years.

Brunswick slate—-how is it mined and why it is their slate is the best in the world a video

2) Cabinet

The frame of a pool table is called the cabinet. When looking at a used table get down and look under the cabinet and table. Check the legs to see if they have been wet or have mold. This is usually a sign that water has damaged the legs and could result in split legs or the stability of the table has been compromised

3) Rails

You want rails that have the nuts INSIDE the rail itself, like Brunswick. You do NOT want rails where the plates are screwed to the bottom surface of the rail.

4) Pockets

Pockets made of vinyl as in commercial tables are durable and long lasting. Traditional leather pockets should be inspected for cuts in the leather that chip the balls. They can be replaced but cost starts at approximately $100 to $400.

5) Cloth

Cloth can be reused, but any small holes when recovered become large holes. The cost of cloth starts at $130. Rails are tricky to recover…do not even attempt to do them yourself. The bed cloth you can do yourself, if you are handy and can follow directions. Or have a pro who moves tables do it for you (such as Family Recreation Centre).

6) Rubber-Well has the last five years been an eye opener for rubber in the industry. Many pool tables manufactures have not taken into account how import rubber is. Brunswick uses good year rubber with a secret formula. They do show a video on how there rubber is made available here. On purchasing used table please inspect the rubber (where the ball bounces). Many tables today are lasting under 5 years. Rubber like a rubber band if not used will shrink. Also lower grades of rubber does not last as long. Brunswick in 1995 added a lifetime warranty on the rubber for the original owner of a table.

7)Pool vs snooker pocket

Pool tables are not all alike. There are actually three types. Carom without pockets which is not common and we all know what they look like (no pockets on the table) Snooker pockets used for 2 1/16″ balls usually played on a 6 x 12 table but in the 70’s and 80’s many were sold in 4 x 8 and 4 1/2 x 9 size. Pool (Boston in Ontario) pocket for balls 2 1/4″. Today most people want a pool pocket as it is more player friendly and this is the game we are going to play the most. How do you tell the size of pocket? Snooker tables have round pocket openings whereas pool have V nosed or triangular shaped. In the past snooker tables have one spot per rail whereas pool had three spots per rail …however some tables have been rerubbered and have been changed. The price of used snooker table is half of pool tables in today market as the snooker table is not the preferred players today. Unfortunately the opposite is true of new tables as many manufactures have seized to make snooker tables. new snooker

8) Room Size:

Check our room chart so you do not get too big a table for your room.

room dimensions

NEVER assume the size of a table without ACTUALLY measuring the width between the cushion noses.

MOVING your new used table.

NEVER, EVER try to move a pool table by getting a bunch of guys and picking it up! NEVER! There are only a handful of tables made that are designed to be moved in this manner and they are 8 foot bar tables, usually with coin mechanisms and 1 piece slate beds. You do NOT want a table like this for a home. If you want to crack the slate, pop the cabinet joints, split the rails, or otherwise destroy your “find” of a pool table….go ahead, move it in one piece. The best and safest way is to hire a pro to do the entire job. But if you are “handy”, have a couple friends who don’t mind lifting, and have access to a vehicle that can carry at least 1,000 lb…then go ahead and disassemble and move it to your room yourself. Then hire a pro to do the set up. Set up is the MOST critical part. Disassembly Take a Magic Marker and match-mark EVERYTHING where it will not show! Do as much marking as you can BEFORE you start disassembling, then continue marking as you go. This is to make sure the table goes back together EXACTLY the way it came apart. Remove the rails first (bolts under the rails). Remove the pockets (bolted to the rails, but the rails usually have to come off the table first). Remove the screws holding the slate to the cabinet (a 3/8 variable speed drill with the correct Phillips bit is best here). Remove the slate from the table and transport VERTICALLY on EDGE. Do NOT lay the slate flat unless you first make crates out of 2x4s and clamp each piece of slate in it’s own crate. A cracked slate can cost upwards of $300 to replace. If necessary, remove the legs. A 1″ thick slate, 9 foot table will weigh around 1,000 pounds. ALWAYS use a weight support belt when lifting heavy objects. ALWAYS lift correctly. Use your head. Not your back! Most tables can be moved in pieces with 2 average men.

Hire a pool table mover (Family Recreation Centre ) if you think it’s beyond your strength, or abilities. It’s not worth destroying the table, or going to the hospital with a damaged back. Don’t be “penny wise…pound foolish”. How to a table is installed is illustrated here

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